Just Curious

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Why did you guys delete the nazi's thread? Is it against Sanctuary policy to stand up to hatemongers?

Cheers!

Admin Joined : 20 May 2007 Posts : 36

Hey Wolfgang, I deleted it because it was getting out of control. Our main rule here for posting is having respect for each other. None of us are perfect, but we try to handle people with respect and grace. Personal attacks are forbidden.

As Admins and Mods we have a responsibility to keep this place in order. Like it or not, it is our board and we make the rules. If you can't live with them, then maybe you should post somewhere else.

Please be respectful.
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Gary
Sanctuary Admin

Guest

Hey, that's cool if it's your policy. I'm certainly down with respect. I'm just a little curious why you let a neo-nazi spew hatred for days and then deleted the thread (and banned one member) when he was called on. That's a bit hypocritical in my book.

Cheers!

Guest

Wolfgang....I did not spew hate for days. I attacked NO ONE on this site. You also dont know me, all you know about me is that you have seen a picture of ONE tattoo that was posted on this site without my permission. If you will re-read the post that started this there is nothing in it that would warrent calling me a neo-nazi. I complained about homosexuality being called the norm, I complained about violent crimes being perpatrated against the innocent. This is NOT neo-nazi propaganda. This is common decency toward one another.

Guest

Your myspace page gives me enough to make a judgment on your motivations. You call for the United States to become a fascist state on there. Yeah, this is enough to call you a neo-nazi. Jesus was all about love, and if he's still around, I'm certain he still does. Jesus would be the first person to break bread with the so-called "deviants" you describe. If you can convince me that Jesus preached the hate you profess, then I'll leave it at that.

Cheers!

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My myspace site is well removed from this site. The fact is that I do not spread my beliefs on this site.
I am comfortable with the fact you view me as a Neo-Nazi and I have never DENIED the fact that I am battling racism..
I also find it interesting that you feel the need to connect with social deviants , with the exception of Christians that are battling Neo-Nazi beliefs. You cannot pick and choose which deviants you embrace in the name of Jesus. So please dont use this as an excuse.
I would also suggest that if you have problems with my myspace site and my personal beliefs, please direct the correspondance to either my email or my Myspace site as not to defile this ministry site with name-calling and accusations.
Thank you very much for your compliance in this matter.

Joined : 12 Jul 2007 Posts : 157

Wow MV, I haven't see your MySpace or any of this other stuff, but it sure sounds like you've been "makin' friends".
Maybe you should give a little more thought to what you want hangin' around your neck brother.
You know I'm not siding with anyone, but it sure sounds like whatever you've got out there is more trouble than it's worth. Wink

Guest

Basicly Dave , my Myspace page tells my political beliefs and my stand against homosexuality being considered NORMAL and OK.. It also talks about how I believe if you come to America to be an American, then Learn ENGLISH.....THis is the big sin of my myspace site. It also speaks out against being politically correct and accepting perversion as NORMAL. This offends some people who feels that perversion should be considered normal. Also my political beliefs are not your normal Democrat VS Republican stand...Some people cannot handle that, but if they cant then that is their problem, not mine. I dont tell them what party to support, I reserve the same consideration.
The only reason that there is any hard feelings against me on this site is because I took offence to an innapropriate photo of me without a shirt being used without my permission as a signature to a racist and violent lymric.... I do however insist in keeping my personal beliefs that would go against the rules of this ministry site SEPARATED from this site. Some people decided to do an expose on me on this site in a malicious manner.
Dave you know the problems I have been dealing with since 1999. Well I still struggle. But I keep it separate from this site as I will continue to do.

Joined : 12 Jul 2007 Posts : 157

Well Jim, in the "political" sense, your views are your own and so long as you choose not to "act out" in a criminal fashion it is your own business.
But in as much as you express your belief in Christ and choose to be identified as a "Christian", we as your brothers and sisters in Christ have an obligation to correct you when you choose to publically express opinions contrary to the Word of God.

In example, if you claim to be my brother in Christ yet hang out in strip joints, you have by virtue of your claim to be one of us opened yourself up to our correction. As I have likewise laid myself open to yours.

I haven't been to your MySpace site, but I will say that if you are expressing hate for other races or even simply expressing that whites are suprior to others races publically you need to take that down.

You and Jesus can discuss this privately (our Lord born into this world Jewish...should be interesting) but publically this isn't something you ought to be declaring unless you're able to back it up with chapter and verse.

This is my adnomition as a brother.

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Dave, At this point I dont actually claim to be following Jesus.. I know for a fact that Jesus is the only way to follow the living God. I am struggling right now with things I see with my own eyes but as a christian, I would have to deny that I see.
I was talking to a very good friend from this board the other day and mentioned that I didnt know if I was still saved because I believe the things my eyes see , and they are sometimes contrary to scripture. He assured me that my salvation was indeed real and that just because there is questions I cannot answer at this time that Gods ability to redeem me was still valid.
I never blindly post racist or non christian rhetoric, or christian rhetoric for that matter unless I actually have witnessed it for myself. I do not fall in with the blind followers of religion or views of any selections of man unless I have witnessed them myself.....The things I have witnessed is on my Myspace page as the things I have seen with my own eyes to be the truth.
I hope this helps you understand where I am coming from.

Subject: Re: Just Curious Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:33 am

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Thank you .....tonnenator....My beliefs are honestly more close to biblical than I let on. I just try not to deny the truths that I see about non spiritual things....
But feel free to check out my Myspace....its nothing too good, just boring facts about my boring life hehe.
God Bless
Jim

Joined : 12 Jul 2007 Posts : 157

Well brother, while I "hear" what you're saying, I also understand from conversations we've had in the past that often things you see are seen through a filter. (Actually, we all have filters of some kind).
We don't always recognize it, but we do actually have some control over what that filter looks like.

Satan only has one trick left, and that is deception, and if we were to go down the list of 'evils' in the world today we could in nearly every case draw a straight line between that evil and the lie which perpetuates it...the first being, that we haven't the control to stop thinking this way.

If you've "seen" things that prove the Bible wrong I'm gonna just go out on a limb here and say that there's more than meets the eye here, and chances are it's the filter your looking through that has obscured your vision. Wink

Do you know how to change your filter?

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I really dont know much about filters. Actually many of the things I have come to believe in as truth is literaly out of the bible taking away all political correctness and tradition.
I dont honestly know how to describe the things I see now or the clarity that I see them with.