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Jim Burns
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|  Subject: one humble mans viewpoint on the afore mentioned articals.  Fri Feb 08, 2008 11:04 am | |
| FIRST I must say I am not a HUCK supporter, Ron Paul all the way here. 
The whole artical would not load for me for some reason so I could just get the first part of it. Huckabee said "homosexuality could “pose a dangerous public health risk.” .
This is 100% true. And if isolating AIDS victims could help stop the spread of this plague, then by all thats holy DO IT! Im sure the parents of an innocent baby whom was diagnosed with this plague would agree.
Not to sound heartless but those whom are drug addicts and homosexuals KNOW the risk of their sin but the innocent should not be made to suffer the chance of their punishment. (Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.)
If I have overstepped my bounds by this post please forgive me, just one humbled and broken mans hypothosis. |
|   | | switchbladeknitter
Joined : 13 Nov 2007
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Location : through the looking glass
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| | Subject: Re: President Hillary? Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:22 pm | |
| Yea...this is where we're going to have to disagree.
AIDS is not just a homosexual and drug addict disease anymore. Young adults male and female (13-24) are one of the largest growing group of people infected with all sorts of std's from herpes to AIDS. Hetero women are becoming infected in bigger numbers, and any baby who is infected got it from their mother who in turn probably got it from a hetero man.
The only way to stop the plague of AIDS is education. Abstence only works if you have the belief system to back it up. There are a lot of unsaved, lost people looking for love, acceptance and affection is all the wrong places. Very often people have to pay a lifetime for a few mistakes. Unless you and your partner are both virgins when you get together (hopefully in marriage) you are at risk. It's estimated that 1/3 of all people who are infected aren't even aware of it. This is just U.S. stats because that's what Huck was talking about. But think for a moment of all the victims of child rape in Africa who get infected.
Isolating people to get rid of a social problem brings to mind the views of a certian man with a funy mustache in Germany. There's still leprosy in the world even though they tried to isolate them.
What comes next? State run "fat camps" for overweight people? Mandatory sterlization for anyone with genetic disorders? Look at China with their re-education camps and jailing plusof Christians and people who practice Falun Gong (a non-religious teaching of meditation and peaceful living) and that's what could be in our future when we punish people for what they are, have or believe instead of what they do.But I digress.
I am looking into third party candidates because the people running from the main parties are frightening at best.
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| | | | Jim Burns
Age : 42
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Location : Shermer Illinois (lol)
Age : 42
| | Subject: Re: President Hillary? Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:17 pm | |
| I am afraid I must agree with that "Man with a Funny Mustash from Germany, in many things. " So we must agree to disagree.
Although I do agree with you completely on the subject of Abstinance!!!!..Its the right thing, Its the God thing.
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| | | | switchbladeknitter
Joined : 13 Nov 2007
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Location : through the looking glass
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| | Subject: Re: President Hillary? Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:25 pm | |
| It's cool dude - I don't expect people to always agree with me. No hard feelings here. Thanks for at least hearing me out.
So on the Ron Paul thing...I am kinda hoping he stays in the GOP primaries for as long as possible to drum up support then decided to run third party at the last minute.
I just love it that there are Ron Paul signs up in yards and towns, on the highway everywhere from coast to coast.
My favourite sign is the one that says "Have you googled Ron Paul?"
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| | | | LadyRocker
Age : 37
Joined : 15 Jul 2007
Posts : 255
Location : Visalia CA
| | Subject: Re: President Hillary? Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:07 am | |
| | The only thing I have with third parties is that they seem to only surface during elections, and then, they only work on the complaints of others rather than finding a workable solution that everyone will agree with. Until there is a third party that unite people together under one banner, they don't stand a chance in a thousand. I used to go for the third party candidates 10 years ago. Although my votes DID count for something, it wasn't enough of an impact to really make a HUGE change. The only time a "third party" would ever make a great change would be if it was a main party that was a force to be reckoned with. You see what I mean? |
| | | | Jim Burns
Age : 42
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| | Subject: Re: President Hillary? Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:48 am | |
| There is no doubt that voting for someone who dont stand a chance is almost the same as not voting, but for me, I have to vote for who I think the best person would be. Win or lose my concience is clear....I know its an archaic way of thinking but it works for me
RON PAUL FOR PREZZZZZ !!!!!!
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| | | | switchbladeknitter
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| | Subject: Re: President Hillary? Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:44 am | |
| That's the whole problem, the third parties don't show up until elections, but I really truly would rather vote for someone, ANYONE that I can be proud to support than to just settle for the other choices.
In what I guess in a way could be seen as a good thing Obama is whooping Hillary in the primaries.
hmmm... looks like Ralph Nader is going to try to run again too.
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| | | | Jim Burns
Age : 42
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| | Subject: Re: President Hillary? Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:55 am | |
| ANYONE but OBAMA.....Oscar the grouch, big bird, a toilet plunger, anyone but Obama!!!  
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| | | | Paladin
Joined : 22 Jul 2007
Posts : 22
| | Subject: Re: President Hillary? Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:15 pm | |
| | Quote: | | In what I guess in a way could be seen as a good thing Obama is whooping Hillary in the primaries. |
I wouldn't exactly call Barrack Hussein beating anyone in anything, no matter how set up it is through the DNC, a good thing. I would actually call it quite alarming. To answer the orig. question(s)...
1: President Hillary... hmm doesn't strike fear in me at all. Makes me smile and have hope again. I've spent 8 years getting raped and robbed by the GOP, i'm ready to make money and succeed again.
2: If she pulls out a win despite the CPUSA, I mean Nation of Isl... I mean Moveo... erm.... Democrat Party? attempting to stonewall that so they can run Comrade Hussein she has my vote. For certain. No doubt about it. If Comrade Barrack Hussein gets it I guess I vote McCain... Before selfexiling myself to a new nation if possible. Perhaps Canada or Holland. |
| | | | Jim Burns
Age : 42
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| | Subject: Re: President Hillary? Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:17 am | |
| Paladin.....I LIKE YOU ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!! 
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| | | | LadyRocker
Age : 37
Joined : 15 Jul 2007
Posts : 255
Location : Visalia CA
| | Subject: Re: President Hillary? Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:22 pm | |
| You sound a little bitter, Paladin, seeing that the GOP didn't do anything to you personally, it would behoove me to say have you truly suffered that much on a personal level? Sadly, I WILL say that the GOP isn't conservative, enough, and that they have reneged their core values at the price of popularity. I think that comes with party politics in general, though.
I think the problem is that people seem to gravitate towards the word, "change," and every candidate wants to accomplish just that, "change." It happened during the Clinton years, and let's face it...we already had Hillary as President by proxy, so I wouldn't want to have her, again. On the other side of the coin, Obama is very eloquent and speaks a great line. Problem is, no one knows how he plans to implement that sort of "change." The problem doesn't seem to be with the politicians as it is with the people, I think. They want change, but they're expecting others to "fix" their problems. |
| | | | Paladin
Joined : 22 Jul 2007
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| | Subject: Re: President Hillary? Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:14 am | |
| | Vade Vexx wrote: | | Paladin.....I LIKE YOU ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Why thank you Vade. I just call it like i've seen it and experienced dude. Usually good, other times bad. Sadly I have this problem with my brain, i'm unable to daydream. Especially about any hippy utopias where we all hold hands and group hug because special interest groups FINALLY have free paychecks and healthcare... at my expense. Especially since I also cannot flip it and daydream that everyday is 4th of July, the U.S. Gov't as this wonderfully awsome omnipotent force benefitting by robbing me. Just doesn't really "work" for me, as much as i'd like it to or for that matter, daydream it to be.
| Quote: | | You sound a little bitter, Paladin, |
Perhaps I do. Perhaps.... I am? If I truly am i'm actually fine with that. I know I should... pick a side, maybe? But that I cannot do. That's not how I work nor is it how the world works. Picking a side? Won't fix anything. Picking a side? Doesn't make one person/side right/wrong. I guess I COULD, you know, pick one side or the other except that on non-moral issues there IS no side. You can either be controlled by the Goverment(Left-Wing) ORRRRRR by Corporations(Right-Wing). I pass. On both. Even though i've yet to experience Communism in my life, I trust it truly is a massive evil on par with Capitalism, what I HAVE experienced, continue to experience.
I don't like Capitalism. Never have. Never will. I am not a number. I am not an easily replaceable "thing". I am not just some puppet for a wealthy businessmen. Never have. Never will. Nobody is. We should prove that we aren't.
| Quote: | | seeing that the GOP didn't do anything to you personally, |
Oh... it hasn't? Actually it has. I'm not going to get into it all on this forum, one because it would be an 800 page essay listing all the ways I HAVE been wronged, my family has been wronged, by the GOP through the years, or rather the last 28 years. Minus that 8 year break in the 1990's.
I will say though, they have. Actually, they've wronged many people many times. Perhaps if they actually would change, for the better, I could put that aside. Forgive, NOT forget, but partially forgive.
| Quote: | | it would behoove me to say have you truly suffered that much on a personal level? |
As stated above I have.
| Quote: | | Sadly, I WILL say that the GOP isn't conservative, |
Certainly they're not. They haven't been for a really, really long time. At this point it is just a tad too late to "BE" Conservative, as there really isn't much left TO conserve. They have already sold it out. Replaced what made America great with starbucks, with supercenters. Replaced massive chunks of American strongholds, such as agriculture, with strip malls and "sprawling" suburbias, nothing more then concrete jungles for those deep deep into credit dept living off credit card after credit card. Cultureless and substanceless. Surely lacking that American Culture my ancestors helped build and define.
While they can claim to and perhaps one day once again seek to conserve what is left of American ideals it is too little, too late. You can't expect to be able to turn society into a cultureless, consumerist, materialist society then in exchange uphold any sort of morality or honor. It doesn't work that way. If you are going to conserve, thus BE Conservative you then are morally obligated to conserve EVERYTHING that made America great. Not piecemeal. Not here and there. Not "only sometimes".
| Quote: | | I think the problem is that people seem to gravitate towards the word, "change," and every candidate wants to accomplish just that, "change." |
Small correction, every candidate CLAIMS to want that. They don't. People want change because deep down inside, that little voice they buried and try to ignore is telling them and deep deep down every working American trying to make ends meet knows, whether they wish to admit so or not, current Gov't SUCKS. The current situation in America SUCKS. Absolutely people are gravitating towards change. They've already experienced regressive politics, now they want to truly progress.
| Quote: | | It happened during the Clinton years, and let's face it...we already had Hillary as President by proxy, so I wouldn't want to have her, again. |
I do. I made money. My bills got paid. Had as much overtime as I wanted. Was so busy *I* set MY price, not the other way around. Not that i'm blaming Bush for the first recession that ruined that, it was just a byproduct of 9/11. I do however blame him for telling me and millions of Americans we don't WANT to do our jobs anymore, that illegal criminal rapist alcoholics want to do them at a lower price then me, or rather US. Violating state and federal laws across the board, but it being OKAY because face it, the big guy has a tough job and has to make ends meet however he can. Preferrably(for Right Wing Capitalism) by outsourcing the work and insourcing labor pools.
I'll take my chances with another Clinton. As I said, i'm ready to make money again. If the Gov't wants to promote the destruction of America at least let me get mine so as I can buy up as much land as possible and preserve as one person as much as possible.... until the GOP decides to take that land, or rather TRIES to, through imminent domain.
| Quote: | | On the other side of the coin, Obama is very eloquent and speaks a great line. Problem is, no one knows how he plans to implement that sort of "change." |
He has no plan. Even if he did it too wouldn't work because again life doesn't work that way. Oh sure he'll give this SEG this or that, this group this or that, make sure those poor souls who "have to take a job to make ends meet" get their handouts and healthcare so they no longer have to work, all the while making sure his DINOS(Democratic In Name Only) Unions get their piece of the pie, despite Unionization going from an American ideal to it's deathbed not to just another large corporation screwing Americans much like Republican corporations. Their piece of the pie? More of those alcoholic DUI getting rapists and murderers Unionized. Less Americans. Legislation skewed to favor Unionist big business models eliminating what little guys remain. Which would be me. I'll pass on that.
| Quote: | | The problem doesn't seem to be with the politicians as it is with the people, I think. They want change, but they're expecting others to "fix" their problems. |
I think most just want the Gov't to fix the problems THEY created. If they actually WOULD? We wouldn't need universal healthcare, or welfare, or Unions, or any of that. We'd all have decent paying jobs, a nice culture created from 232 years of the American way. Americans would once again truly have a voice and would once again be well off, able to raise the kids they create while only one parent HAS to work a single job to make ends meet. We'd once again be able to walk into a store in America and *gasp* buy American products MADE by Americans! The horrors. My kinda change. Middle Classes kinda change? I believe it to be so. Barrack Hussein isn't going to get us there. Nor is any Republican except Ron Paul, perhaps Tom Tancredo, a refreshing politically incorrect politician who wasn't afraid of standing up and doing the right thing. Buchanan, except he's Republican In Name Only, he's too Pro-America to be a genuine GOP'er.
Clinton? Probably not. BUT, bring us closer? Possibly. I'm willing to take that risk. If not? We get four more years of the same. Maybe at least made a few more dollars to buy a few more toys for the kids or parts for the car. If not, God help us all. If Barrack Hussein is elected? R.I.P. America. You've been taken off the life support my dear and it's time for me at least to move on. Return to the fatherland. Build some windmills and drink a few Heinekens in Holland or play some hockey up in Canada. Try and build my familial future a future where I actually can. Because this mess certainly isn't the kind of place I want my blood to inherit. |
| | | | Paladin
Joined : 22 Jul 2007
Posts : 22
| | Subject: Re: President Hillary? Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:18 am | |
| | One last thing, kinda on a side note. I don't think it accidental Republican apologists are willing to "throw a sacrifice vote" for Clinton. Ann Coulter in the like. They're just not brave enough to openly say what they wanna say, that of the four she'd likely be the best choice out of the group. They can say this or that, they don't like McDubya this and that but they know the truth. They know what is up. |
| | | | Jim Burns
Age : 42
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Location : Shermer Illinois (lol)
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| | Subject: VERY GOOD POST Paladin. Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:53 am | |
| Though I dont want to cause any hard feelings with any of the old timers on here (being one myself) I have to speak up about your posts....Paladan, There is too many 100% valid points that you made for me to comment on. The voice of reason , well thought out answers....Truth that might hurt, but truth nonetheless. Your thoughts of leaving a country that CHOOSES to fall to the crimes of capitolism is quite honorable. Though my Fatherland that I would re-locate to would be Germany/Scotland/Norway, I understand your point. Indeed my thoughts on capitolism is dire to say the least. Communism, well, I would rather eat the buisness end of a shotgun than to fall to that beast.
Paladan, it would be nice to talk to you via other communication pathways.
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| | | | LadyRocker
Age : 37
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Location : Visalia CA
| | Subject: Re: President Hillary? Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:16 pm | |
| I'm against any form of socialism based on government mentality. I know that if you read the book of Acts seeing how the church worked around things, everyone shared everything. However, if you take a look at how it was done, no one was forced to "give away" anything. It was not out of duty that anyone gave up their resources to support the struggling first church. The sin of Ananias and Sapphira in Acts 5 was not that they didn't give away all that was theirs, but rather that they lied about how much they gave, claiming it was the full amount.
I never made a dime during the 90's except when I worked for the Internal Revenue Service, and I hated that job with a passion. I was being paid a good salary, but it seemed like too much for simply shuffling papers around for the secretary. In other words, it was a $7/hour job that should've been worth $3/hour, but because of minimum wage requirements, the job paid more than it was worth. Several years after I graduated from Fresno State University, I got a job that wasn't able to pay me what it was worth, but it was a good start for a possible career. I got laid off a couple of years ago, but I'm not complaining since I got payback on my SSI because I am disabled.
Now, here's what I'm hopefully trying to say and still be coherent. There's plenty of blame to go around on politicians, but there's a lot of blame that falls on us when we elect politicians who give us "everything we want." We are all selfish by nature, and we'll do anything to line our pockets regardless of what's going on in the culture, and whether our leaders stand firm on moral and social issues. People got rich during the 90's at the expense of the moral failures that were going on. These days, we have more regulations and more taxes, and any good economist knows that if you put more burdens on goods and services, they end up costing more to the consumer. I wish I had taken my economics class over again. I probably would've done better this year than I would've when I was a senior in high school.
Okay, I think I'm done ranting. I think I've made my point. |
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