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rock4king
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| |  | | MetalheaD
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|  Subject: Re: Catholic and Protestant discussion  Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:32 am | |
| well..that's not for me to judge....but i think that if you live your life as jesus would then probablly so.
but on the other hand...is not it said in scripture that you must eat of my flesh and drink of my blood if you want to have life everlasting?
so...idk, but i think so, yes.
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| | | | PeacethroughX
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| | Subject: Re: Catholic and Protestant discussion Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:49 pm | |
| | Quote: | .....is all about bringing unity between the denominations, and we've seen it work, yes with Catholics involved, too, and Baptists, Pentecostals, Nazarenes, etc.
Basicallly what you do is, lay down your preconceived notions and hardline statements, and just worship Jesus together and get to know them on a face to face basis....which is what we can't do here, but we can do it in spirit. |
Bravo! Beautiful words... 
| Quote: | | As far as Catholics not believing in the Bible as the 100% inerrant Word of God.....I don't know what church you're going to, brother, but that ain't what my husband and his siblings were taught in catechism. They must have changed that, or something. |
NOONE, Catholic or not, made the statement that Catholics do not believe the Bible as the 100% inerrant Word of God.
What WAS said was that Catholics do not believe in Sola Scripture, which means "by Scripture Alone". This is strictly a Protestant belief. The Catholic church holds that the Bible IS INDEED the 100% inerrant Word of God and holds ALL truth for salvation through Jesus, but that we, as people, need the interpretation (past, present, and future since it is a "living" Word) of it from His Holy Father, the Pope. They believe he holds that authority from God Himself, through St. Peter.
This is the major difference between Catholics and Protestants as far as I can tell. There are many others, but this is the biggie.
Now I am going to use this as an example of WHY good, loving people can possibly turn vicious and biting in discussing different faiths.
MISQUOTES. Read what the person wrote carefully. Do not reword it or re-interpret what is said. Take what is said at its face value. If you do not know EXACTLY what is meant, ASK the person to rephrase differently so you can understand.
| Quote: | | Did you know the word Catholic means "christian"? |
Actually, it means "universal", as in the "Catholic Church" being the universal church - ALL CHristians, ALL followers of Jesus, everywhere. That's why it was such a big deal to break away from the Catholic church - it meant you were leaving God Himself.
| Quote: | | Another thing.........you are telling me, that your priest told you.........that the Catholic church is the only true church, and that all attenders of all other churches are not "true" christians............correct? |
Pope Benedict said this himself in one of his first public addresses. He later apologized for being unclear about the eternal destination of the Church's "separated brethren", but yes, indeed, that's what our new Pope believes.
And I know MANY a Catholic who believes this. I just lovingly tell them, "Well, I guess we'll know for sure when we reach Heaven!" and leave it as that.
| Quote: | | Um....you wasnt talking to me when you was talking about the catholic church was you, you know about it being the only church....I didnt say that LOL, and I dont in any way believe that , .....Just wanted to make sure you wasnt confusing me with someone else ...hehe. |
 No, Jim, our representing Catholics are Mark (Changeling) and Victor.
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| | | | MetalheaD
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| | Subject: Re: Catholic and Protestant discussion Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:55 pm | |
| | Quote: | The Catholic church holds that the Bible IS INDEED the 100% inerrant Word of God and holds ALL truth for salvation through Jesus, but that we, as people, need the interpretation (past, present, and future since it is a "living" Word) of it from His Holy Father, the Pope. They believe he holds that authority from God Himself, through St. Peter.
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VERY well said.
like, theres no way i couldve put that any better.
and you're not even catholic.
which makes you a very cool person i think.
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| | | | The Changeling
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| | Subject: Re: Catholic and Protestant discussion Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:36 pm | |
| I made no self contadictory statement by what I said Tonne, I simply said I was no hardliner who believes most Protestants will probably go to Hell. I am not fully persuaded that the Catholic Church is the true Church, but I am becomming so persuaded, I'm still learning and researching. This is what the Chuch teaches about those outside the Church, my views seem to be in line.
http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2005/0512fea3.asp |
| | | | PeacethroughX
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| | Subject: Re: Catholic and Protestant discussion Sat Apr 12, 2008 7:59 am | |
| I am studying the change of the Bible when the Protestants broke off - why Martin Luther and others dropped seven full books and huge sections of others when creating the Protestant Bible? I mean, these were already considered Canonized Scripture, and he pushed to get them out. 
Several books that Luther wanted out, but others made them stay are Hebrews, James, Jude, and Revelation. If Martin Luther felt these were not good enough for us as Protestants, I clearly question his judgment on the ones he DID manage to get taken out. Can you imagine our New Testament WITHOUT James or Hebrews? 
I made a point to buy a Bible with the Apocryphal and Deuterocanonical books in them (Yay E-bay!) and I am reading through them. Some of them are amazing - I LOVE the Prayer of Manasseh! It is so heartfelt as he prostrates himself before God and fully repents of his sin.
Any comments or input on this? Like I said, I am researching now and it is quite fascinating for me.
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Who is like you—
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awesome in glory,
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| | | | The Changeling
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| | Subject: Re: Catholic and Protestant discussion Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:02 am | |
| I have yet to read through the other books, I need to get me a good "Catholic Bible", anyone interested in a good deal on "The MacArthur Study Bible?"  |
| | | | okgenna
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| | Subject: Re: Catholic and Protestant discussion Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:07 pm | |
| | PeacethroughX wrote: |
Any comments or input on this? Like I said, I am researching now and it is quite fascinating for me. |
i have a comment!!!!!!!!!!
there were more than 7 taken out....and a few of them, you will find, hold the foundation for several catholic beliefs, including purgatory and such....but i like that you have an open enough mind to research this stuff!! i havent met too many people who are willing to do that |
| | | | MetalheaD
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| | Subject: Re: Catholic and Protestant discussion Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:12 pm | |
| | Quote: | | Any comments or input on this? Like I said, I am researching now and it is quite fascinating for me. |
i have a comment!!!!!!!!!!
there were more than 7 taken out....and a few of them, you will find, hold the foundation for several catholic beliefs, including purgatory and such....but i like that you have an open enough mind to research this stuff!! i havent met too many people who are willing to do that
(very sorry guys...my sister logged on on this puter..sorry for any spam she dropped off =[ )
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| | | | The Changeling
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| | | | | Ian
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| | Subject: Re: Catholic and Protestant discussion Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:17 pm | |
| | PeacethroughX wrote: | | Quote: | | Did you know the word Catholic means "christian"? |
Actually, it means "universal", as in the "Catholic Church" being the universal church |
Thank you, Marcia. You rock!
Cheers!
Ian |
| | | | PeacethroughX
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| | Subject: Re: Catholic and Protestant discussion Sat Apr 12, 2008 10:33 pm | |
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"Who among the gods is like you, O LORD ?
Who is like you—
majestic in holiness,
awesome in glory,
working wonders?" Exodus 15:11
http://www.achurchforthecity.org
"I don't reject your Christ, I love your Christ. It's just that so many of you Christians are so unlike your Christ." Mahatma Ghandi |
| | | | Ian
Joined : 12 Apr 2008
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| | Subject: Re: Catholic and Protestant discussion Sat Apr 12, 2008 11:04 pm | |
| I always find it oddly fascinating, yet sad, when Christians fight with other Christians. Seriously, it's kind of like Democrats and Republicans; they like to think they are different, but when examined closely, they are really pretty much the same monster. Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox, Mormons, etc.: they may all do things a little bit different, but when looked at without the rose-colored glasses on, they are all very similar. Many times, it simply comes down to a different interpretation. I sometimes give my students an interesting lesson on interpretation. I will supply 50 students with the same quote, sans context, and ask them to tell me what it means. The quote will be fairly straight-forward to the initial viewing, but when I read the interpretations back, the students are shocked! Most of the time, I will have at least 45 different answers, and sometimes even 50! Interpretation is in the eye of the beholder, and is the reason why no one will ever convince anyone else that they have the right way to roll in Christianity. That's the beauty of the faith. To each their own; Christianity is a faith that allows for interpretation. Think Paul and Peter.
So, perhaps there are better things for Christians to argue about instead of which type of Christian is more satanic. Indeed, little more love goes a long way . . .
Cheers!
Ian |
| | | | The Changeling
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| | Subject: Re: Catholic and Protestant discussion Sat Apr 12, 2008 11:38 pm | |
| It was never my intention to "demonize" anyone, just to show the claims of the Catholic Church, wich is not a denominatin BTW. You said you hid the context, that makes any exegetical or hermanutical process impossible! As a Catholic, we do not abandon the exegetical/hermanutical approach of intepratation, but do so in light of the magisterium, our athority.
P.S. Good to see you again Ian!  |
| | | | Ian
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| | Subject: Re: Catholic and Protestant discussion Sat Apr 12, 2008 11:45 pm | |
| I'm here, right on that edge of existence between physical and metaphysical. Had to go away for a while after the Warpath experience. It left me a bit jaded.
And not denomination, but Christian.
Cheers!
Ian |
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