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headoverheelsforgod88
Age : 19
Joined : 23 Feb 2008
Posts : 223
Location : Ashland, Kentucky/ Young Harris, Ga
Age : 19 1/2
|  Subject: Re: Why  Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:31 am | |
| | PeacethroughX wrote: | | Devitio Atrum wrote: | so we all agree to disagree....woo!
that, in my opinion, is the christian attitude, acceptance and love even though we're different.
(wow. my post didn't get deleted? not even a slap on the wrist?) |
Just hadn't gotten to you, yet.... **maternal side engaged**
I will trust you to change the tone of your post, Victor. Soon, okay? Ian is not a member of our Christian family and deserves a better example of good manners from you, young pup. |
ok can i coment on this?
i dont think that he should be punshed. becouse he dose have a point. we all have our opions and we should respect eachothers opions.
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To never see it snow, or ever feel the rain again,
To never be in love, or having to explain again,
To not have to cover my face so
you won't see my pain,
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|   | | PeacethroughX
Joined : 24 May 2007
Posts : 452
Location : Charlotte, NC
Age : old enough!
| | Subject: Re: Why Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:42 am | |
| | headoverheelsforgod88 wrote: |
ok can i coment on this?
i dont think that he should be punshed. becouse he dose have a point. we all have our opions and we should respect eachothers opions. |
Hehehe.... Victor is not being punished. He put an LOL after his comment, so I am sure he is kidding around. And I am giving him a facetious hard time in return.
Now if his post is SERIOUS... that's something else.
Then I'll have to hunt him down and beat him.
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"Who among the gods is like you, O LORD ?
Who is like you—
majestic in holiness,
awesome in glory,
working wonders?" Exodus 15:11
http://www.achurchforthecity.org
"I don't reject your Christ, I love your Christ. It's just that so many of you Christians are so unlike your Christ." Mahatma Ghandi |
| | | | headoverheelsforgod88
Age : 19
Joined : 23 Feb 2008
Posts : 223
Location : Ashland, Kentucky/ Young Harris, Ga
Age : 19 1/2
| | Subject: Re: Why Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:47 am | |
|  yea he can be a jokester some times. but i love him for it he makes me lol.
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Perfection:
To never see it snow, or ever feel the rain again,
To never be in love, or having to explain again,
To not have to cover my face so
you won't see my pain,
that would be perfection. |
| | | | The Changeling
Age : 45
Joined : 06 Aug 2007
Posts : 257
Location : Cleveland, Oh
Age : 44
| | Subject: Re: Why Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:47 am | |
| | I'm not going to get in a flame war w/Jim again, I promised not to do that when I came back here, but calling one's self a christian nazi seems synonomous w/calling one's self a christian hedonist, or a christian pornagrapher, it's a dichotomy, these ideas are antithetical. |
| | | | Jim Burns
Age : 42
Joined : 17 Jan 2008
Posts : 436
Location : Back in the 80's forever
Age : 42
| | Subject: Re: Why Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:54 am | |
| Mark , you need to read the book Positive Christianity in the Third Reich and you will see the official stance of nazis . Christianity is IN DEED interwoven , or should I say CAN be interwoven both truthfully and effectivly.
Can one be a christian and look at porn, can one be a christian and curse, can one be a christian and do drugs? Can one be a christian and engage in ANY ungodly activity? I believe the answer is not what we do concerning Christianity, But what we believe. I do therefore believe.. I do not believe political beliefs affect ones standing with God.
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| | | | The Changeling
Age : 45
Joined : 06 Aug 2007
Posts : 257
Location : Cleveland, Oh
Age : 44
| | Subject: Re: Why Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:58 am | |
| | Of course we can be christians and be involved in those things, it's called sin, it's one thing to struggle w/sin, it's quite another to uphold it as good. The book of James seems to indicate that what we do is what we believe, regardless of what we say we believe. Right now I believe I have to go cut lawns, I will validate this belief by actually cutting them! |
| | | | Jim Burns
Age : 42
Joined : 17 Jan 2008
Posts : 436
Location : Back in the 80's forever
Age : 42
| | Subject: Re: Why Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:02 am | |
| May you behead every blade of grass in your lawn.....Lawnocaust as I guess I would call it , huh? LOL.
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(A.W. Tozer)
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| | | | PeacethroughX
Joined : 24 May 2007
Posts : 452
Location : Charlotte, NC
Age : old enough!
| | Subject: Re: Why Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:36 am | |
| | Panzer wrote: | | I believe the answer is not what we do concerning Christianity, But what we believe. I do therefore believe.. I do not believe political beliefs affect ones standing with God. |
This is a perfect statement to extend a point I was thinking. While we should see each other through God's eyes with the love He has for us, this is a very separate issue from salvation and standing with God.
Those are personal issues known ONLY between God and the person him or herself. While we can comment on and judge a person's fruit, we DARE not act AS God and judge their heart.
With that in mind, I disagree with the above quote. The Bible says that out of the heart, the mouth speaks. When one speaks evil, it will make another wonder about the condition of the heart.
It is at this point, if we want to continue the conversation, a standard should be chosen, but even that brings disagreement.
Some believe the Bible is the sole standard. Others believe the Bible, along with church leadership, heritage, and history are equal standards. And yet another says other books of Biblical interpretation will be factor equally in his beliefs.
So until a standard is agreed upon, most of this conversation is doomed to be unproductive because of the differing respects for authority.
Any suggestions?
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"Who among the gods is like you, O LORD ?
Who is like you—
majestic in holiness,
awesome in glory,
working wonders?" Exodus 15:11
http://www.achurchforthecity.org
"I don't reject your Christ, I love your Christ. It's just that so many of you Christians are so unlike your Christ." Mahatma Ghandi |
| | | | MetalheaD
Age : 14
Joined : 22 Feb 2008
Posts : 640
Location : crushed velvet coffin, KY
| | Subject: Re: Why Tue Apr 22, 2008 1:01 pm | |
| standard?
i think not calling people satanists should be one.
i dont mind takin some insults....but when my people start getting trashed for no reason....
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| | | | The Changeling
Age : 45
Joined : 06 Aug 2007
Posts : 257
Location : Cleveland, Oh
Age : 44
| | Subject: Re: Why Tue Apr 22, 2008 1:55 pm | |
| All of you should convert to Catholicism, then we will have a standard by wich we all can agree upon!  |
| | | | PeacethroughX
Joined : 24 May 2007
Posts : 452
Location : Charlotte, NC
Age : old enough!
| | Subject: Re: Why Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:17 pm | |
| | Devitio Atrum wrote: | standard?
i think not calling people satanists should be one.
i dont mind takin some insults....but when my people start getting trashed for no reason.... |
I'm talking about an agreed standard of authority, such as using God's Word only or using additional writings along with God's Word, etc.
What you are talking about is not unreasonable, though I think that part has passed. Nobody should take any insults. We just have to remember to let it go and not bring it up again.
C'mon, I bet we can.... ... WITHOUT converting anyone to anything except Christianity. LOL
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"Who among the gods is like you, O LORD ?
Who is like you—
majestic in holiness,
awesome in glory,
working wonders?" Exodus 15:11
http://www.achurchforthecity.org
"I don't reject your Christ, I love your Christ. It's just that so many of you Christians are so unlike your Christ." Mahatma Ghandi |
| | | | MetalheaD
Age : 14
Joined : 22 Feb 2008
Posts : 640
Location : crushed velvet coffin, KY
| | Subject: Re: Why Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:20 pm | |
| OH!
well then, i'd have to say our words should be based on God's word alone.
LOL.
agreed on the christianity bit.
im a firm believer in the catholic faith, but im not out to convert people.
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| | | | Jim Burns
Age : 42
Joined : 17 Jan 2008
Posts : 436
Location : Back in the 80's forever
Age : 42
| | Subject: Re: Why Tue Apr 22, 2008 5:28 pm | |
| | The Changeling wrote: | | All of you should convert to Catholicism, then we will have a standard by wich we all can agree upon! |
For interests sake, did you know that there was two main churches during Nazi Germanys short reign. The evangelistic or prodistant church and the holy catholic church.. I am reading how even the Fuhrer himself dictated a mandate that the two churches should be UNITED under Jesus Christ for the common spiritual good of the people. So I see no reason that this could not take place here in America. It was even forbidden to "slam" either church by secularists OR the oposite church.....
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I would also like to touch on the term NAZI....That is simply short for National Socialist, my political belief..Many hear Nazi and think instantly of the person goosetepping around the yard with stiff arm salutes LOL... Just wanted to clear that up for everyone, so this was not aimed at you Mark, just convienient to post here.
Albeit I should accept chiding for my political party choice as I have in the past opened my mouth too wide against both Democrates and Republicans. And for that I apologize.
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| | | | switchbladeknitter
Joined : 13 Nov 2007
Posts : 423
Location : through the looking glass
Age : 29 and holding!!
| | Subject: Re: Why Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:14 pm | |
| the whole point of this forum IAN is that we are all here because we either believe in Christ or accept that this is a place where we try to become better people in/for/because of Christ
We are all at different levels of our spiritual journey but we all keep coming back here because we want to be better people.
Jim is a good person and I like Victor's Gacy avitar.
I got all y'all's back though. I am having a very very hard time with my anger lately so please lets not have me get crazy on anyone.
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-Gia Carangi |
| | | | Gwalchmai
Joined : 23 Apr 2008
Posts : 27
| | Subject: Re: Why Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:02 pm | |
| | The Changeling wrote: | | I'm not going to get in a flame war w/Jim again, I promised not to do that when I came back here, but calling one's self a christian nazi seems synonomous w/calling one's self a christian hedonist, or a christian pornagrapher, it's a dichotomy, these ideas are antithetical. |
Of course, you are correct. BUT the actual point here is that we don't need to berate those with whom we disagree. It's called tact. And that is the point. Confronting one another in love. It's part of our responsibility as believers (for those of us that are). 2 Corinthians 5:17-21. |
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