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PostSubject: Why   Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:00 am

why would God condemn me to see the truth that I see? Why would he not just let me be like the rest of the world and live in ignorance? Let me tell you it is hell seeing the truth and being called a HATER for seeing it...It isnt fun. Crying or Very sad
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PostSubject: Re: Why   Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:02 am

well....you, and I..and thousands of other people have differing beliefs...and if someone sees someone thats different, well, we all know how that goes.

dont let people get you down. life's just way too short.
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PostSubject: Re: Why   Mon Apr 21, 2008 4:25 pm

I am going to step lightly here, I have read some of your blog and well - we have some different views on some things. So having said that just be sure that the truths that you are talking about are God's truths and not the truths of society and the rest of the world.
I know you have a good heart Jim, but sometimes it's hard to let that shine out of you. It's a lot harder to get up and have a good attitude towards the world the more you're kicked around and knocked down, but we have to keep trying to let the light of the Lord shine through us.
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PostSubject: Re: Why   Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:03 pm

Self-retraction.

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PostSubject: Re: Why   Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:30 pm

unsatisfactory man.
that was uncalled for.
deffinately.


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PostSubject: Re: Why   Tue Apr 22, 2008 12:06 am

Ian, let me, for the record say something in essence...

Jim has been a long-time Sanctuary person. He's had to work through a lot of issues, and some of them are still unresolved. When you grow up learing Nazism and all that, it's ingrained. You can't just totally wipe it away.

I will tell you right now, I do not agree with these views at all. In fact, he already knows I'm Hispanic. I've made that very clear in several of my posts. He's even been in my CRF room on several occasions, and I have taken him to task for unnecessary comments concering Muslims. Jim and I go WAY back, so I know where he's coming from, and I will constantly pray for him.

With that said, Jim, I think you have a very distorted view on God, and I think that needs to change if you want to see the world through His eyes. He may not like what everyone does, but anyone who calls upon His name with a humble heart can come to Him. Always remember, God is no respecter of persons. He knows our hearts and our minds, and you need to see it for what it really is.

As Christians, whatever culture we are from, we must be a united front against a greater enemy: Satan. He and his demons are fighting for the right to dominate this world with its filth and lies. Take heart, because in Ephesians 6, we are not wrestling against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against the dark forces of this world, against sprititual wickedness in high places (v. 12). Once we understand who the enemy is, we can clearly see what we are up against, and how to fight.
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PostSubject: Re: Why   Tue Apr 22, 2008 1:12 am

**WARNING... in love**


Sanctuary is a haven for all who wish to come... saved, unsaved, Jews, Gentiles, blacks, whites, and browns... ALL are welcomed here. The Bible FIRMLY states there is no discrimination in the eyes of God, and no personal attacks against ANYONE will be tolerated.

If you wish to discuss prejudice, censorship, tolerance or the lack of it, keep it historical, objective, and scriptural.

We will be watching.... o.O



So if you want to start something, start with this...

Matthew 5:44-48 (New American Standard Bible)

44"But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.

46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?

47 If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?

48 Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect."


God sends His Sun and His rain to both the good and the evil people, the righteous and the unrighteous. Plus He expects us to love them as well.... so why aren't we doing that?

And perfect in what? Our love... our actions... both?

What?

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PostSubject: Re: Why   Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:25 am

Self-retraction.

Ian


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PostSubject: Re: Why   Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:44 am

Ian wrote:
A Satantic Nazi and a person to cheer him up with a John Wayne Gacy Avatar? Just curious, but when did Sancutary become the Warpath, Part II?

Also, to the Nazi bully . . . you're not claiming to be a Christian, are you?

Ian
Satanic Nazi???? I am far from sataninc. I belileve in Jesus Christ as the son of God , the Holy Trinity just as you claim to. Am I a Nazi....Yes, I admit to that....DO I CLAIM TO BE A CHRISTIAN....Yes, I claim to that too.
You my friend are much too quick to start labeling people. Your Pious attitude is neither useful or helpful. Im sure if one was to dig a bit we could find some skelletons in YOUR closet...at least I am completely open with my beliefs and feelings AND emotions. I hide NOTHING.
Through much reading and study I see no reason to segregate my political and religious beliefs. But thank you for worrying as you do, but this SATANIC nazi is just fine.lol!

To your statement of BULLY NAZI....its called being a man....you might wanna look into that.
Just because I dont look down and run when confronted , it does not make me a bully. I could be one if I so chose to be...But Im a very sensitive person where sensitivity is needed. Im caring, and for gosh sake I love bunny rabbits. flower Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Why   Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:47 am

aren't religious disputes great?
...not.


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PostSubject: Re: Why   Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:51 am

And to Lia.....You know I like you no matter if you was from Mars. Your singing voice proves that you are indeed in touch with angels.

And you might be small but you quickly shut me up a few times on Paltalk....Dinomite in a small package LOL.
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PostSubject: Re: Why   Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:42 am

Ian wrote:
While I am a bit disappointed that those who posted after mine did not actually read my post, I must say, this is existentialism at its heart! Life is absurd!

Long live Sartre and Beckett!

Cheers!

Ian

Oh yes, you were definitely read....

I am sorry you are disappointed, though I am not surprised that you do not understand. You have a marvelous head knowledge of the history and languages of the Bible, but you have no heart knowledge at all. They are not living words for you. And it feels to me, you are not teachable from us in this area. I would like to hope I am wrong here, but that is for the future, yet to be seen.

Jim KNOWS that ALL the mods and owners here at Sanctuary are in complete and total disagreement with him on his racist views.

He also KNOWS that even though he is deeply loved, he is a hair's breadth away from possible banning and/or censorship if he crosses the lines or pushes our forums rules. It is a current and ongoing discussion. He recognizes this fully and that is quite possibly why he feels he is a martyr for his beliefs.

But personal attacks solve NOTHING. Attacks do not open the way for meaning and enlightening discussion - attacks only bring defensive words and actions into play and then it becomes a circular, meaningless pile of poop.

Think about war. War NEVER brings peace - it brings submission. Submission brings people to a quiet resolve to start thinking and talking. Then, and ONLY THEN, can real change take place.

And that's what we are doing here - skipping the war and going right to submission. There are ALL kinds of scriptures regarding submitting to one another in love, youngers submitting to elders and elders guiding them in love. Submission is NOT a dirty word, but it is necessary for real change to take place. Sometimes change is not instantaneous, as some would wish, but a loooong, slow, arduous and painful process.

We Christians are a peculiar people - our own Word describes us that way. We look foolish and contradictory to those of the world and it's something we live with. And this IS how it's done here at Sanctuary.

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PostSubject: Re: Why   Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:48 am

so we all agree to disagree....woo!
that, in my opinion, is the christian attitude, acceptance and love even though we're different.

(wow. my post didn't get deleted? not even a slap on the wrist?)
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PostSubject: Re: Why   Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:52 am

You are right peacethroughX my friend....I watch my P's and Q's quite strictly here. I am a stickler for rules and order and try my best to be completely HONEST about my opinions on various topics on here while still remaining INSIDE the boundries of the rules. In fact I respect Sanctuary and have since the mid 80s. I am aware that it views ALL topics from one angle, that is the Written Word of God, our Bible. I respect that. If at any time I go too far please remind me. I can and do get carried away by emotion at times. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Why   Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:25 am

Devitio Atrum wrote:
so we all agree to disagree....woo!
that, in my opinion, is the christian attitude, acceptance and love even though we're different.

(wow. my post didn't get deleted? not even a slap on the wrist?)

Just hadn't gotten to you, yet.... **maternal side engaged**

I will trust you to change the tone of your post, Victor. Soon, okay? Ian is not a member of our Christian family and deserves a better example of good manners from you, young pup.

And, actually, this is not an example of agreeing to disagree. Even persuasive arguments can be respectful in their tone if you recognize the worth of every human being. That's what different, or should be different, about Christians. Sometimes THAT alone is the whole point - to see each other through God's eyes, as the beings He created in love - worthwhile and equal.

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"I don't reject your Christ, I love your Christ. It's just that so many of you Christians are so unlike your Christ." Mahatma Ghandi


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PostSubject: Re: Why   Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:31 am

PeacethroughX wrote:
Devitio Atrum wrote:
so we all agree to disagree....woo!
that, in my opinion, is the christian attitude, acceptance and love even though we're different.

(wow. my post didn't get deleted? not even a slap on the wrist?)

Just hadn't gotten to you, yet.... **maternal side engaged**

I will trust you to change the tone of your post, Victor. Soon, okay? Ian is not a member of our Christian family and deserves a better example of good manners from you, young pup.


ok can i coment on this?
i dont think that he should be punshed. becouse he dose have a point. we all have our opions and we should respect eachothers opions.
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PostSubject: Re: Why   Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:42 am

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ok can i coment on this?
i dont think that he should be punshed. becouse he dose have a point. we all have our opions and we should respect eachothers opions.

Hehehe.... Victor is not being punished. He put an LOL after his comment, so I am sure he is kidding around. And I am giving him a facetious hard time in return.

Now if his post is SERIOUS... that's something else.

Then I'll have to hunt him down and beat him.


sunny

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PostSubject: Re: Why   Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:47 am

Smile yea he can be a jokester some times. but i love him for it he makes me lol.
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PostSubject: Re: Why   Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:47 am

I'm not going to get in a flame war w/Jim again, I promised not to do that when I came back here, but calling one's self a christian nazi seems synonomous w/calling one's self a christian hedonist, or a christian pornagrapher, it's a dichotomy, these ideas are antithetical.
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PostSubject: Re: Why   Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:54 am

Mark , you need to read the book Positive Christianity in the Third Reich and you will see the official stance of nazis . Christianity is IN DEED interwoven , or should I say CAN be interwoven both truthfully and effectivly.
Can one be a christian and look at porn, can one be a christian and curse, can one be a christian and do drugs? Can one be a christian and engage in ANY ungodly activity? I believe the answer is not what we do concerning Christianity, But what we believe. I do therefore believe.. I do not believe political beliefs affect ones standing with God.
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PostSubject: Re: Why   Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:58 am

Of course we can be christians and be involved in those things, it's called sin, it's one thing to struggle w/sin, it's quite another to uphold it as good. The book of James seems to indicate that what we do is what we believe, regardless of what we say we believe. Right now I believe I have to go cut lawns, I will validate this belief by actually cutting them! sunny
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PostSubject: Re: Why   Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:02 am

May you behead every blade of grass in your lawn.....Lawnocaust as I guess I would call it , huh? LOL.
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PostSubject: Re: Why   Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:36 am

Panzer wrote:
I believe the answer is not what we do concerning Christianity, But what we believe. I do therefore believe.. I do not believe political beliefs affect ones standing with God.

This is a perfect statement to extend a point I was thinking. While we should see each other through God's eyes with the love He has for us, this is a very separate issue from salvation and standing with God.

Those are personal issues known ONLY between God and the person him or herself. While we can comment on and judge a person's fruit, we DARE not act AS God and judge their heart.

With that in mind, I disagree with the above quote. The Bible says that out of the heart, the mouth speaks. When one speaks evil, it will make another wonder about the condition of the heart.

It is at this point, if we want to continue the conversation, a standard should be chosen, but even that brings disagreement.

Some believe the Bible is the sole standard. Others believe the Bible, along with church leadership, heritage, and history are equal standards. And yet another says other books of Biblical interpretation will be factor equally in his beliefs.

So until a standard is agreed upon, most of this conversation is doomed to be unproductive because of the differing respects for authority.

Any suggestions?

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PostSubject: Re: Why   Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:01 pm

standard?

i think not calling people satanists should be one.

i dont mind takin some insults....but when my people start getting trashed for no reason....
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PostSubject: Re: Why   Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:55 pm

All of you should convert to Catholicism, then we will have a standard by wich we all can agree upon! flower
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