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PostSubject: im gonna burn for WHAT?   Fri May 30, 2008 9:14 am

i listen to a whole lotta music
but most of it is labeled "evil" in the christian community.

the question is: where are they getting this from?
is it anywhere in the bible?

are songs like
from here to eternity
torture killer
or
hells bells

against scripture?

(the links are to the lyrics of the song)

any opinions, url's or scripture are appreciated....

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PostSubject: Re: im gonna burn for WHAT?   Fri May 30, 2008 9:46 am

Read Acts, my friend. The answer will be clear to you.

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PostSubject: Re: im gonna burn for WHAT?   Fri May 30, 2008 10:08 am

Just a side note, Torture killer rules. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: im gonna burn for WHAT?   Fri May 30, 2008 10:12 am

Quote :
Torture killer rules.

doesn't it though?
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PostSubject: Re: im gonna burn for WHAT?   Fri May 30, 2008 10:19 am

Victor, that debate is hundreds of years old and involves EVERY generation since the death and resurrection of Christ.

Most lyrics are subjective and we cannot know the mind set of the author. You must look to yourself, or your parents since you are underage, for guidance and discernment.

Do the lyrics make you feel rebellious, defiant, or anything in any way to act AGAINST the gifts and fruits of the Holy Spirit?

Do the lyrics help you in your growth - mentally (intelligence), spiritually, compassionately - for yourself and towards your family and friends? When you are an adult, these questions will also include how you view your place in this world - do you feel the world owes YOU or do you owe the world your gifts and your talent to make it a better place for those coming behind you?

As Ian said, the books of Acts is a good place to start. I would add James and Galatians for immediate knowledge.

Keep searching and asking.... Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: im gonna burn for WHAT?   Fri May 30, 2008 10:26 am

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Do the lyrics make you feel rebellious, defiant, or anything in any way to act AGAINST the gifts and fruits of the Holy Spirit?

nah. not really
i feed on the violence occasionally....sort of just imagine what it would be like to be a victim of a torture enthusiast, or even to be a serial killer, but i'd never do any of those things.....

music doesn't change my emotions, but it feeds into whatever they are, if im happy it makes me happier, if im sad it maks me depressed...go figure

thanks though, i'll read through those and see what conclusion i come to.
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PostSubject: Re: im gonna burn for WHAT?   Sat May 31, 2008 2:34 am

Well, I think it all depends on where you are spiritually. No one is at the same place anyone else is at you know? Some of us can go and watch an R rated movie, others cannot. You see? Not to mention there is the big "junk in and junk out" so be very careful. You have to work out your OWN salvation. You seek Him and HE will tell you.
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PostSubject: Re: im gonna burn for WHAT?   Sat May 31, 2008 11:29 am

I just received a forward from a nice christian lady that might help or might not help in this situation.

A child wanted to buy a rap album with just a small amount of filth in it but the father wouldn't let him...The child was upset. The father asked the child to give him one day to explain why he couldn't have the rap CD with only a small amount of filth in it.

The next day the boy confronted his father , his father presented him with a batch of brownies...He said if you eat one of these brownies you can have the CD...BUT I put just a very small amount of dog poop into the mixture, JUST A SMALL AMOUNT that you probably wont even taste... The boy wouldn't eat the brownies nor did he want to buy the CD anymore.

I will admit I listen to only secular music anymore and usually of the violent splatter-core type of death metal....But the above analogy might speak to you. clown
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PostSubject: Re: im gonna burn for WHAT?   Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:36 pm

personally, i'd eat the feces-entwined brownies.

oh, and MV--and i got swarm! by torture killer, this is BOMB man

gc--yeah it makes sense, you've to have a good christian foundation so's you can have the fortitude to listen to/watch it, lest it should infect you!
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PostSubject: Re: im gonna burn for WHAT?   Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:54 pm

here's my take. I still listen to the occasional marilyn manson but I have weeded out most of their music just a few songs and some good hard and fast metal full of loud guitars cursing - all that stuff that some believers say is a fast track to hell. I think that me personally, if I was to surround myself with only goodness and everything is all right all the time, not only do I think that that's a false impression of the world, I think that I would lose my edge in being able to communicate about everything to the outside world.
If I'm gonna gasp and walk away when I hear cursing or wrap myself in a cocoon of niceness I would, well I have no clue where I could go to do that.
We live in the real world where there is violence and all kinds of horrors happening all the time and if we want to reach out to people in our words and actions we can't be so unaccostomed to reality that we can't connect with people.

so turn it up - just when you're singing along skip the 4 letter words!
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PostSubject: Re: im gonna burn for WHAT?   Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:32 pm

MetalheaD wrote:
personally, i'd eat the feces-entwined brownies.

oh, and MV--and i got swarm! by torture killer, this is BOMB man

I would pass on the brownies while listening to SWARM by Torture Killer, That is the one TK album I have.
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PostSubject: Re: im gonna burn for WHAT?   Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:38 pm

switchbladeknitter wrote:

so turn it up - just when you're singing along skip the 4 letter words!

that's my take exactly.
as far as four letter words go....i have a theory about abusing them, letting one slip now and then i don't think is a problem at all--but that's just me i guess.
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PostSubject: Re: im gonna burn for WHAT?   Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:25 pm

I think it comes down to: do we want to feed our flesh or feed our spirits with the music we listen to.

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PostSubject: Re: im gonna burn for WHAT?   Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:47 pm

Oh I let a few 4 letter words slip now and then.

True that Gary ^^ I try to look at everything in life like that, but still stick to the not living in an all safe all good the time bubble.
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PostSubject: Re: im gonna burn for WHAT?   Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:20 pm

For me, it's a matter of not wanting to fill my head with the things of the world. I've been there, done that for a long time, and I don't want it, anymore. I still listen to my occasional Foreigner CDs, but that's about as worldy as I can get, and I haven't listened to them in maybe a few months, now.
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PostSubject: Re: im gonna burn for WHAT?   Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:28 pm

I felt better with only christian music , but I got bored of the same ole same ole every day, I wanna be entertained so I listen to splatter-core/ death metal. Its like my favorite zombie and slasher /ghost movies coming to life in song.
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PostSubject: Re: im gonna burn for WHAT?   Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:13 pm

eep! I don't listen to anything that hardcore. I find personally that the deeper I get in my faith, the more I don't wanna listen to/watch/speak things I used to.
My Cannibal Corpse and Cradle of Filth was in the first batch of cd's I got rid of and that was about as hardcore as I ever got.

I hope to one day have more music from the good side than the dark side that I totally love and enjoy, but I know me if I go rushing into it cold turkey I'll come back for more badness.
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PostSubject: Re: im gonna burn for WHAT?   Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:47 pm

rock4king wrote:
I think it comes down to: do we want to feed our flesh or feed our spirits with the music we listen to.


This is it for me - secular lyrics started to annoy me and I found myself saying, "What's the point?" Suspect

I rarely listen to secular lyrics any more - Rush, Dream Theater, Kansas - bands along that line are about it.

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PostSubject: Re: im gonna burn for WHAT?   Sat Jun 07, 2008 3:04 pm

I really hope to one day be a lot closer to that point. I am still fighting with a lot of demons and honestly I still enjoy my fun music. It dosent influence me badly - I can listen to Pantera without wanting to drink or Sublime without (really) wanting to smoke a left handed cigarette and even Slayer or Slipknot without feeling the need to mosh with someone.
Maybe one day when I am more at peace with myself and my life and figure some more things out I can really rid myself of all the little things I still hang on to.
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PostSubject: Re: im gonna burn for WHAT?   Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:05 pm

switchbladeknitter wrote:
...I can listen to Slayer or Slipknot without feeling the need to mosh with someone...

aww.....what's wrong with moshing?
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PostSubject: Re: im gonna burn for WHAT?   Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:29 pm

Moshing rules, best pit i was ever in was with the christian band Sacrament....Many elbows was eaten that night.
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PostSubject: Re: im gonna burn for WHAT?   Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:55 pm

even if I wanted to mosh still I haven't been in one in like forever and like I'm a CHICK!!!!
a lot of the like young 20 something guys have no pit hospitality
last show I was at was Rammstein at a small place - no pits everyone is too buzy watching the FIRE!!
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PostSubject: Re: im gonna burn for WHAT?   Sun Jun 08, 2008 12:18 pm

yeah, plus there's always that 10% of the guys in pits who are just out to violate, or injure sombody....those are the clowns that prevent me from being able to take my lil sister
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PostSubject: Re: im gonna burn for WHAT?   Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:47 pm

exactly. I mean back in the day like 6 or 7 years ago I could take a few accidental elbows even a kinda purposeful full body slam but I have gotten a little more fragile.
I'm not saying I'll never mosh again, I just always watch the pit for a little before I go jumping in.
I like shows where they have a hardcore pit and a lightweight pit then I would be down.
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PostSubject: Re: im gonna burn for WHAT?   Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:53 pm

Pit lite ................ 1/3 fewer elbows but still a full bodied slamfest.
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